29 Replies to “You Aikido people are gonna get hurt unless you listen”

  1. Not sure this vid has much of anything to do with Aikido….but decent vid.. some good basics of fighting….like keep your hands up…dont freeze up (or tighten up really…..but hard to do unless you train)…..distance and timing. Good idea to go 50% speed with your sparring partner. I wish I could still kick to the head like this guy.

  2. I've watched a few Aikido Flow videos now, but they seem to be telling me to learn street fighting not Aikido. These guys seem to want to engage in the fight. I thought Aikido was about getting out of it as fast as possible.

  3. I agree it need to be real ,but if that single initial punch is thrown , then the response  should be ikyyo , kokyu nage , etc straight away instead of trading punches and kicks in that space . that space should be closed down immediately . even in judo the space is closed quickly from the kicking range and to the ground . Unless there's multiple attacks ,then the aikidoka should be trying to equalise them odds with any weapon he can use ;  a stick , a knife of which his knowledge of aikikai weapons are there for . I'm a Judoka by nature ,but have backgrounds in Aikido , escrima/kali and wing chun . In doing so I have lengthened my line of knowledge beyond Judo , my arsenal is more where I can mix n match to a situation . In the past in Judo I've been challenged by others and although I won eventually taking to the ground I felt it should have been quicker . so you have to become in order to apply .  defence against a knife , become a knife fighter , against a stick …learn kali ..aginst kicking learn about Thai etc …gain insight …simple !…..If you look at MMA fighter Connor MacGregor against Floyd Mayweather in the Boxing ring with boxing rules ?? I said he would lose !…he's fighting boxing rules against a boxer in his backyard ??….Crazy !

  4. This goes for any traditional martial art.. i always liked training this way. You need students to not get too excited and realize that playing attacker, their job isn't to counter so much but just keep the forward pressure. Applies to striking, clinch/grapple, and take down. Get off your back, no need to get into BJJ and get your head kicked in by someone's buddies. Great vid, love that you guys keep it honest!

  5. Hmmmmm Karate is only compliant if you're learning basic kumite……jiyu kumite on the otherhand….well that's where basics and katas of karate lead up to.

    Aikido is just kata but I do agree that you should pressure test them.

  6. when you defend why you keep your hands up so high? when your hands are up high you get hit the face so easy. the best advice you did give is train like its real and you will be better then someone that just trains.

  7. You need to spar first and foremost if you want to your martial art to be effective and you need to cross train in different martial arts that have sparring and live pressure testing if your base art doesn’t include sparring. You can incorporate mushin drills arm trapping holds locks etc but stance how to block/defend strikes and takedowns and fight from the clinch or from range are all important. Also athleticism is key, to be an effective fighter you need to either be big and strong or just in shape in general

  8. I see a lot of comments here about how Aikido is not designed for fighting, not meant to develop your self defense skills, and not intended to hurt people. I'm going to park this article right here for your consideration: http://tampaaikido.com/articles/balance-from-destruction-secret-teachings-of-o-sensei/

    Its not my place to tell you what your Aikido is to you. I think all of the points made about what Aikido is are valid to a degree. However, I think that same statement applies to those of you saying that self defense has no place in Aikido training as well. We train hard at our dojo. I was punched twice in the face last week while we were practicing pulling off irimenage off a cross or a jab, that's the way we like it and want to train. Does that mean we're training to go out and try to get punches thrown at us so we can try our techniques? Hell no, we're not training to be jackasses who pick fights. But we are training to end fights if they start. We maintain a low injury rate, besides some bruises, small scrapes, and the occasional sore joint. I should also point out that all of us are more than willing to accommodate those who want to take it slow, are a bit older, or more injury prone. I don't think effective training and maintaining decency are mutually exclusive, which is what I seem to be reading in a lot of these comments.

    Saotome Sensei also once wrote that we have a responsibility to save others from their karma. If they attack us with malice, then it is up to us to stop them, decisively, for their own benefit. If we dislocate their shoulder in order to save them from bad Karma, well then, the way I see it we have still done them a favor. Aikido has many paths. If you do it to develop your spiritual side, that's great. But lets not pretend thats the only correct path of Aikido.

    There's also come context needed for O'Sensei's insistence on not harming our opponents. That is what the definition of harm was at the time. Coming out of classical jujutsu schools, many techniques they were taught were made to kill or permanently disable their opponents. In relative terms, this made things like dislocations, hard throws, and soft tissue injuries in the joints seem pretty mild. Again, I'm not trying to tell the world what Aikido is or isn't, nor should you. Cheers.

  9. I think we train what you call 'predictive Aikido' for the purpose of learning the movement. Aikido to me is very technical and complex with many aspects to consider and apply. Once we begin to understand the principle (which there are many of) of why we move a particular way can we train on a practical level.

  10. Man, there's a lot of very delusional people in the comments.

    Aikido CAN be effective, but if all you're doing is training Aikido and nothing else, I will be more than happy to put serious money on you losing a fight. Training is not NEARLY as harsh and committed in todays world, as it was 80 years ago. Daily training were the norm, and several top students would train almost 12 hours a day at times. To even train with O Sensei, you had to get a recommendation, and literally everyone of the first generation were already blackbelts in other martial arts. All Aikidoka were, essentially, mixed martial artists. Daily physical workouts and strength training were the norm. Hazing, bullying, and physical injuries were a common occurrence. People constantly tested their techniques against resisting partners (both within the dojo, and outside).

    99.99% of modern Aikidoka don't do any of that, yet think they can someone manifest the same kind of martial skill that these guys had. In my 10 years or so of interest in Aikidos history, and it's martial effectiveness, I've seen only a handful of fighters who are actually capable of pulling much of it off (and practically none are able to do it with "aiki", but rather using the techniques in a more classic jujutsu context), and all of them had a serious background in lots of different martial arts.

    One person would be Francisco de los Cobos, from Mexico:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWI9rXTxZ_k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KM3jIYB5Lk
    But look at his actual martial arts background:
    Karate – 20 years
    Aikido – 19 years
    Tae Kwon Do – 16 years
    Knife fighting techniques – 12 years
    Muay Thai / Boxing – 9 years
    Brazilian Jiu Jitsu – 2 Years
    The guy is just in general a very skilled martial artist. And even then, he can have problems pulling off techniques.

    CAN Aikido be effective, if trained intensively and correctly, for specific instances? Sure. Can 99.99% of Aikido do any of that, and survive a fight more than 30 seconds? Naw.
    Gozo Shioda, founder of Yoshinkan Aikido, 10th Dan, and 10 year student of O Sensei, said a few years before his death: "Aikido as a martial art dies with me." (source: Aikido Shugyo), exactly because he saw that no one trained Aikido anymore, in a way that would lead to effective martial skill.

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